But Livia was on a roll, she would push her luck once more.
"Hates his guts eh? Or is she telling you how she hates his guts? Sometimes you know, women work in devious ways..."
"...and there speaks one who should know!" Marcia parried, then laughed out loud, adding. "What are you up to you little minx, stirring up a family civil war?"
Marcia's reaction was not quite what Livia had planned, so she backed off.
"Ah... you've rumbled me Marcia. I'm just winding you up. I don't get a lot of fun these days. Gossiping that's all I do!"